Jan 13, 2013 12:00pm PST
in the way in two ways. if you're a company that does business with the defense department, if you're watching this sequestration madness. our the debt ceiling madness, are you going to be hiring new people? are you going to be expanding production? no, you're going to be wondering, is the defense department budget cut by 20%, 10%? so there is that -- >> you will hesitate to make certain business decisions, particularly hiring decisions? >> exactly. republicans often talk about how uncertainty makes businesses not expand production. well this is the biggest uncertainty is the craziness over the debt ceiling. and the second biggest is on the sequestration. there's that piece of it. but there's the broader piece that you and i have talked about. which is we need to do more than just have a cyclical upturn. what you were describing very elegantly. exactly right, is that there's a cyclical rise, return of the american economy. housing is up, energy production is up. but there's a broader issue, which is how do we get the kind of growth we used to have in this country. three, 4% growth.